Should little kids go to Big church?

25 07 2008

Great post with some great thoughts on wether or not kids should go to kids church or big church.

Even as a kids pastor I can see valid reasons for people to keep their kids in Big church. I however lean more toward kids attending kids church if kids church is engaging.

When kids church is not engaging it bothers me. When I hear rumblings that kids are not being engaged by the life-giving, life changing word of God I get annoyed real fast. Any way off my soap box. Check out the link below from the Stuff Christians like Bog.

#359. Arguing about taking little kids to big church.


More on Pipeline

24 07 2008

367414024_997f5d8e5eMet with Mike and Gareth on Tuesday to discuss the Pipeline conference.

What it is:

Conference for Youth workers and Children’s workers

What we want to accomplish:

1. Help Youth workers and Kids workers see the value of collaboration
2. Create a conference that is a great balance of information/application/network connection

I think we all have been to conferences that inspire you through workshops and general sessions. We really want to do something that has never been done before. Inspire youth and children’s workers to work together to reach this generation, and do it through intensely practical, intensely relational means.

We want to create a conference that you leave from with new ideas, fresh resources, strengthened relationships and life-giving network connections.

Pipeline: because we are all connected. November 14th and 15th 2008.

Phone Call with Tammy Melchien

23 07 2008

6a00d83452793469e200e5500e23c48834-150wiJust got off the phone with Tammy Melchien. Tammy currently serves as the Executive Director of Kids’ City, the Children’s Ministry of Community Christian Church. CCC is a multi-site church with 8 locations in the Chicagoland area.

Her pastor wrote the book “The Big Idea”. It is a fantastic book that basically cast vision for the youth, children and adults to take home 1 thought that week instead of multiple different thoughts. It is the power of one consistent message to walk out that week.

Here are some of the main point Tammy said that stuck in my mind that further explain how the Big Idea works for kids.

– All series’ are hashed out between the children, adults, and student teams. If the series doesn’t work for one of the three age groups it is rarely done.

– The kids team takes the adult message content and comes up with a one sentence take away.

– Small Group leaders serve weekly, Kids communicators serve once a month.

– Tammy said that in writing the curriculum it is important to base the lesson that week in a tangible story in the bible. For example when talking about love with students or adults using 1 Cor. 13. With kids you would talk more about Ruth and Naomi or David and Jonathan.

– When writing curriculum for the Big Idea they generally write with the smallest campus in mind so that everything is reproducible on every level.

– When they don’t match the adult service they do something fun and creative.

Tammy was very gracious and is doing great things in Chicago area. Hopefully someday I’ll be able to make it over to the big yellow box and check it out for myself. Check out their church site. Make sure you tell Jeff I said hi.

Working together 3 of 4 (Collusion is more than a good idea)

15 07 2008

working-together-731682Another way I believe that child and youth ministries can work together is through sharing resources.
I know that one of the ways I have seen God bless and use our children’s ministry and youth ministry in our church is by using our strengths to strengthen each other not just our position.

There are many factors but often times youth ministry and children’s ministry seem to fight over the same piece of the pie. When you work together with the same hart and vision you will see God do amazing things.

What are some ways we can share resources.

1. Volunteers – As a children’s pastor you can help the youth pastor recognize gifts and develop those gifts by leading the youth volunteers that serve.

2. Budget – I remember in 1998 we combined our budgets to buy a digital camera and to edit videos on the first iMovie software Apple come out with. We worked together and both the youth and children’s department were blessed.

3. Relationship – Spend time together. I working together is one thing but to really get to know what makes the other tick takes time.

4. Ministry overlap – We do something quite odd. We share the 7th grade most kids ministries stop at 5 grade or Youth ministry start at 8th the combinations are limitless. We have chosen to share the 7th grade as a way to transition kids successfully from one ministry to the other.

I challenge you conspire, collaborate do what you must but work together.

Rom. 12:3 ¶ As God’s messenger, I give each of you this warning: Be honest in your estimate of yourselves, measuring your value by how much faith God has given you.
Rom. 12:4 Just as our bodies have many parts and each part has a special function,
Rom. 12:5 so it is with Christ’s body. We are all parts of his one body, and each of us has different work to do. And since we are all one body in Christ, we belong to each other, and each of us needs all the others.

Working together 2 of 4 (Do you see what I see?)

10 07 2008

VisionMissionValuesWhen you look at a kid do you see the same thing your youth pastor sees?

I believe that commonality of vision is one on the most important things Youth Pastors and Children’s Pastors must share.

Because you have commonality does not mean you have to be a carbon copy. You don’t have to do everything the Youth Pastor does in kid format. But it does mean sharing with each other the values that will define what a disciple looks like.

Sit down with you Youth Pastor and ask these questions.

1. What am I doing to hinder your success?

2. What am I doing that is helping you?

3. What are the 3 things you want every kid to know to be prepared for Youth group/church.

4. How can we help kids make the transition from kids ministry to youth ministry.

5. What resources can we share to make both of our ministries more effective.

6. Are we providing opportunities for face time in each ministry. (When I say face time I don’t mean you have to speak at each others service but are you physically supporting each other.)

Working Together. (1 of 4)

30 06 2008

You need to start with the end in mind. What is the goal of a successful children’s ministry?

I have had a few conversations with children’s pastors who seemed happy that kids don’t want to leave their ministry. To me that is very self serving and unnatural. I believe a successful children’s ministry works hand in hand with the youth ministry.

What success looks like to me.

1. How well do kids transition to the youth ministry
2. Are we preaching the same values the youth department is.
3. What is my relationship with youth pastor like?
4. Am I genuinely happy when the youth ministry is successful?
5. Are there places where young people can be involved in ministry?
6. Am I helping the Youth Pastor develop leaders through their ministry involvement.

Staff Retreat 2008

17 06 2008

We are pounding it out at our yearly staff meeting, in the heart of NYC. Good stuff